Omega Movement

Discussion in 'Omega Watches' started by Xelor, May 2, 2009.

  1. Xelor

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    On another forum I found a thread on the Omega Speedmaster and posted a question regarding the new "Co-Axial Chronometer" and what people opinions were of the new watch. I love the larger size, greater depth rating, the fact that it has the Co-Axial movement. Some liked the new Speedy but others said it was best to stick to the original moon watch because it has an Omega made movement in it and the new Co-Axial Chronometer has a modified ETA movement in it. I was not aware of Omega buying movements from ETA, is this correct?

    Here are the two I was looking at...
    Speed Master Professional "Moon" watch (3573.50.00)
    -caliber is Omega 1863, Manual wound w/ 48hr power reserve, 42mm case.
    -50m water resistance.

    Co-Axial Chronometer (311.30.44.50.01.002)
    -Caliber is Omega 3313, Automatic w/ 52hr power reserve, 44.25mm case.
    -100m water resistance.

    As you know I have a SMP which has the Omega 2500 movement in it and I love the accuracy of this watch but I would likely have to part with it if I wanted to buy a speedy. I don't want to sell the SMP if it has an in house movement for a possibly less accurate outsourced Omega movement.

    What do you guys think?

    Cheers, Jeff
  2. RW16610

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    This is a tough one, Jeff. What they say regarding the Speedmaster (new one) is true. Thing is though, ETA is one of the MANY companies owned by the Swatch Group, owners of Omega.

    The new Speedmaster is stunning as well, and i'm the type who NEEDS a date window on my daily use watches. If this is not a thing that bothers you I would not even look at the new ones, go for the classic.

    It is a shame you do not have the 212.30 (black dial, black bezel watch like ours) I would buy it off you once we could work out a way to import it :laugh: That being said, a classic Speedmaster IS worth selling your Seamaster for, but both are fantastic watches. This is a really tough call and hopefully Chip or someone else can add to this.

    All depends on what you want. If you wish to have a watch for collectors value or the history behind the watch it is no doubt the Speedmaster. If you want something to swim in or just with the classic styling from Omega keep the Seamaster. Even though Bond is no real person that marketing still seems to be a big hit with people.

    My honest solution, try get both eventually. It is too tough to pick just one and that became obvious to me trying to decide which to buy first (the new one is not on my list). Have decided to get a 16710 and a Speedmaster after but only time will tell. In the end of the day, just do what makes you happy now, life is short, enjoy your watches :cheers:
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    Hi Jeff,

    on www.omegarolex.com you can see that the Omega Cal. 1863 is based on the Lemania 1873 movt.; not an ETA movt.

    The co-axial Omega movt. Cal. 3313 is not based on an ETA, either, but on the Frederic Piquet Cal. 1285.

    The Omega Cal. 2500 movt., however, IS based on an ETA movt.; the 2892-A2.

    Now, the ETA 2892-A2 is definately an excellent movt. and has been said to be comparable to the Rolex Cal. 3135 (see this article). The ETA 2892-A2 is also without a doubt potentially as accurate as the Rolex Cal. 3135 or the co-axial movt.

    As for which watch to pick, I'd go for the original (of the current "Moonwatches") and opt for the one having the Omega Cal. 1873. It's a timeproven movt. and the only handwound Cal. that NASA has approved for manned space flights. However, being only WR to 50 metres, I wouldn't make a habit of swimming with the watch.

    The co-axial version of the Moonwatch is NOT space qualified and is also substantially more than the standard Moonwatch. Yes, you get 100 metres of WR, bigger size and a date feature, and I was tempted to get it for the those reasons, but think I'd still go for the classic Moonwatch.
  4. Xelor

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    Thanks Bo, Thanks Rommel,
    I'll likely keep an eye on the used markets for a good deal on an original manual moon watch and keep the SMP I have as I like it so much. The water resistance was not a big issue as I never swim with my watches on anyway. The space qualification was not a big deal either as I doubt NASA will be calling me any time soon, though I wish they would! Perhaps in a few years the Co-axial auto will be on the secondary market for reasonable prices and I can pick one up then.

    Thanks for the info on the movements and please any other opinions out there are still welcomed and encouraged.

    Cheers, Jeff
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    I think that any movement that Omega puts in their watches will be well up to the mark Jeff, I don't think that timekeeping will be an issue, if it was me I would go for the one that you like the look of the best, whatever Speedy you choose will be of the highest quality, allied to the fact that it is a timeless classic.
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    Bo makes a great point there. To me the new one is just a daily use watch, or more pratical for people / pilots who need a date feature and need Chronograph and love the Speedmaster. It has nothing on the classic and the fact that Omega made one with a gloss dial pretty much says to me it is more aimed at the normal user / Omega collector. 100M is ideal for swimming. I would NEVER swim or even like getting a watch wet that has no screw down crown. No matter what your doing, always that "what if" factor. It only takes one incident to flood the case and ruin your watch. This is what I love about Divers watches and the Rolex Oysters all with screw down crowns.

    My Raymond Weil crown came out on me! Not in the water thankfully, but in the mall. Not even sure how. Lost track of time and lucky for me I was in a place to be able to re-set the time and not be late! After that, i've been 10000% screw down crowns. This is why I did not get the Speedmaster yet, to me it will be a collectors item and want the original.



    No problem :cheers:

    This is what I am doing too, Jeff. Those watches are still too new to find used or at a decent price. I looked ALL over and still can not find my 212.30 so decided to aim for a 16710 GMT Master II. In about a year or two I can try collect some good, Co-Axial Omega watches preowned. You can pick some up for 50% off MSRP, so would be a great way to get all the ones you want and keep them. Again, our watch now is ideal for anything you can possibly think of. Hang onto it, your 111 and just save up. By the time your ready, you can find one used and will have made up your mind :cheers:



    That is true, Dave. They for sure do a good job on anything they put in those watches. Even for the less accurate manual wind movements, it has no screw down crown (the one advantage to this) and you would be winding it every day, so to set the time every now and again to keep it within specs is no issue :rocker: This is also why I would only want a manual wind as an alternative and a collectors item. Kind of lazy sometimes and like my Automatics, they give me the option to wind them also.
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