Baked Inserts!

Discussion in 'Vintage Rolex Watches' started by Vivace, Jul 18, 2012.

  1. Vivace

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    I came across a raging topic on a German watch forum. it seems that baking black Rolex inserts at 200 degrees Celcius for 1 minute transforms the insert color into the o so rare and desirable brownish/ rusty vintage look. Vintage Rolex collectors are panicking and the market for these inserts is in turmoil.
    This is no joke. The purpose of my post is not to gossip; but rather informative in nature and serves as a warning to vintage collectors. Watch out!

    I have included a link:
    http://www.rolexforum.nl/topic.php?id=17353

    Hope my post is not in violation of the forum rules. In which case I apologize.
  2. Baco Noir

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    Hi Vivace! No worries on posting that here, but I did remove the specific time and temperature from your post. We don't discuss fake watches here and probably should not include the specifics on how to generate a fake part for a vintage Rolex.

    It is definitely a "buyer beware" situation when dealing with the vintage market.
  3. colemanitis

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    We've discussed baking inserts here before. You can post the link if you'd like and we can discuss.
  4. Vivace

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    Understandable. Thank you Baco Noir.:thumbsup:
    I have included a link.
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    I can't read all that goobily gock over at that website.

    I think that the amount of time and the temperature should be put back. I mean who's to call it fake VS modifying?

    Anyhow I guess I will just spend some time translating all that over there, no big deal.

    I have beat this dead horse long ago and have seen faked (modified) inserts for sale on some of most highly respected watch dealers watches.
  6. Baco Noir

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    Thanks Jeff. I've added the details back since he can't edit the post.
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    Many will hide under a cloak and not make public their personal adventures.

    I will say I have faded inserts and have about 5 I ruined. I also took a Heat gun to a dial that I got wet on accident.

    Although the modified parts look cool and if viewed alone look aged when held up next to a naturally faded part you can for sure tell the difference.

    I won't be wasting anymore money on trying to make some parts for different looks on my watches. It is not worth it to me. Even the inserts on that page look

    weird to me.

    The way I see it is

    Genuine inserts fade much better than aftermarket inserts.

    a splotchy faded insert is done with bleach or ammonia and is not real.

    a insert where the numbers have turned any dark color or turn the same color but a lighter shade as the rest of insert is baked.

    any faded or browned insert without scratches is not real.

    any insert faded or browned with the same sized and style scratches in different angles is not real. Like is someone used a course steel wool on one spot of the insert and then used a bit of hard metal on a section and then switched back to the steel wool in another spot. So basically a scratched up old faded insert where you see a consistent tool mark or patter in multiple areas.

    (hope you understood that)^


    That is what I look for. Not that I would buy any old insert myself at this point. To risky.


    The real fakers put a insert in ammonia to dull the top layer of paint and then put the insert (TAPING UP THE BACK SIDE) in a clothes dryer full of nuts and bolts or nails and such for a period of time (who knows how long as this is extreme and if you do this you have problems or an extra clothes dryer)

    this gives the insert a more natural wear than cant be done by the human hand.


    I hope Jeff or any other Mods don't mind me sharing what I know. This stuff is out there and can be found in a few clicks and the fakes threaten us as watch lovers and you would have to go search out this info but instead I can arm you against being ripped off right here at home on TKF and I feel discussing the the ways these things are done will do two things.

    ONE. help us know what to look for.

    TWO. give the weekend watch nut something to do to have a different look for their watch while not having to be ripped off by someone to achieve the look with a part that was created by one of these methods anyway.
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    Also I might add that by no scratches I mean looking at the insert with magnification, Under loupe of 10 power.

    when viewed with the naked I eye some genuine faded inserts appear to be faded without scratch. Put a loupe on that baby and you will see what I am talking

    about.
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    I wonder how many people are looking down at their watches and realizing that they wasted $500+ on a forgery.
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    I am not a fan of deliberately altering any watch part to make it look "more legit" or "appealing". Parts that have aged naturally over time are a better prospect IMHO.
    If some are happy to do it to their own watches that's fine by me - as long as they disclose the mods if the watch is ever sold.

    The big issue here is full disclosure by sellers/dealers.
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    Totally agree with Ya on this, Mate:thumbsup:

    The trouble is that in these economic times some dishonest people are always trying to find a way to make a quick buck on the expense of the honest watch lovers.

    Lets face it, I didn't even know how to "age" a part, and would have to rely on sellers honesty,...which in these cases is not always there.:thinking:
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    As far as I'm concerned it is fakery, pure and simple. Fraud! And they don't even look good, either. Just ruining perfectly good bezels IMHO.

    But, it really is important information, very good to know for vintage collectors. Thanks for posting it!
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    I think when it comes to people doing this to a real Rolex insert, my guess would be that 90%+ are doing it for illicit reasons with the intent to defraud and only a few are doing it to make their watch look more vintage for their own liking. I have no evidence on this other than if it were a common practice among watch "owners" then i think we'd see much more open discussion of the practice on the forums.
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    I saw this posted over on VRF as well. Yep, we've discussed this all before and full disclosure at point of sale is the key. I don't think these baked/half-baked inserts look any good or close to genuine anyway. It's too uniform. It looks like exactly what it is, to me - a new insert with a 'quick-fix' and crude 'solution' to something which can't be faked/baked convincingly, IMO. You only have to look at a lot of aged/faded/stone-washed/bleached jeans to see that. Most of them are laughable; akin to sitting in neat pools of bleach which do not match the hapless wearer's anatomy. This insert deception looks like that to me.
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    :thinking:I can not understand this from an esthetic point:loupe:
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