Patina Help

Discussion in 'Vintage Rolex Watches' started by BB3188, Feb 8, 2010.

  1. BB3188

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    Hi all,

    Just a quick post with regards to Patina

    What's the science behind them ?

    I am really mad for the dark yellowish patina dials at the moment............... I am looking at a couple of 5513s with that style of markers..

    I am just wondering if I should avoid them due to possible dial/ marker deterioration in the future.

    I tend to wear my vintages on a daily basis and the sun / uv is quite high in Aus.

    Interested in any help/ suggestions

    :thinking:
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    Given a choice I like them closer to white or a slight cream colour.
    Ryan5446 has a few very special SD's and GMT's with amazing custard coloured patina.
    Some of the decent fakes getting around also have a very dark patina but the giveaway is that they're shiny and have a smooth slick finish.
    I'm not sure exactly why some tritium ages/discolours more quickly - my guess is that it has more to do with humidity than actual bright sunlight.
    Also the thickness of the tritium application might play a part too.
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    Thanks Bo !!

    Just checked it out.

    The thing about humidity may have some merit. On a past trip to Asia, I noticed that the older watches I saw tend to have darker Patina.

    I do like them, to me it has that oldish feel.

    Mark
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    the creation of dark patina is probably caused by a number of factors. Sunlight, humidity ...?...? It is not really known what causes some watches to go dark and some to remain white. My experience is that the watches which are in good condition (overall) and look as if they spend a more time locked up than on a wrist have the tendency to be darker. On the other hand of course the sun bleeches. So the more sunshine, the lighter the markers become.

    Here is the darkest I have (1665)
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    Here is a dream watch owned by a good friend...(5517 military sub)...the patina is out of this world
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    Wow, that is serious. The last one is fabulous.


    John
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    Is it possible that there was some variation in the tritium mixes? :thinking: Amazing pics, Steven! :worship:
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    that is very likely and a good point. Just like they changed the consistensy of the paint around 69/70 to use less brown and more black.
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    Wow amazing info guys. I have a 1991 SD and there is slight Patina developing.

    [​IMG]

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    Nice reference thread Bo. Good to read and learn about Patina.

    Amazing pics Ryan!!

    Randy
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    Fantastic patina Steven !!!!
    that is sort of the colour that I wish to have, I think it has such a nice effect on the dial look.

    quick question, what is the likelihood of the patina changing back to a lighter shade over time with use ?
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    Would that still have the "open" 6's and 9's in the date wheel? The change happened around '91, I believe?
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    There has been a thread on Timezone forums a couple of years back of someone who put his tritium watch in the sun for one summer. It clearly showed that the markers became a few shades lighter afterwards. I will try if I can find it again and post it here.
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    This thread is just too :coolanimated:
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    That's interesting. Looks like the sunlight bleaches the tritium.

    I guess that is why all tritium dials in England have a very dark mustard colour to them. LOL
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    Pete, we might have to start putting sunnies on our vintages.......... lucky we are in shady melbourne as opposed to the sunny gold coast or WA !!
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    Thats interesting, it would be ashame to buy a vintage with the dark patina only to for it to get lighter over time.
    Maybe its simplistic thinking on my part, but the really dark mustard/ caramel markers and hands really show give the watch a vintage feel.
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    Yep, I agree Mark. I haven't seen one of these "dark" dials in the flesh so it's a bit hard to comment on.

    I like the hands on my Sub, they're a shade darker than the hour markers and you are left in no doubt that it's a vintage watch.
    I started back at work yesterday after a month off and got a couple of nice comments from the guys. They still can't believe it's 40+ yrs old though!
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    Your work colleagues must be quite observant.

    I have not had anyone comment on my watch (at least in the office) . THey comment about shirts, cufflinks, but never the watches !!
    I had someone comment to me that perhaps a upgraded Tag new might be the go for someone my age. perhaps...................
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    The guys know I'm a Rolex fanatic. They're always looking to see what my "latest and greatest" is.
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    If you like patina, check out the mad colour of these old protype red subs. Amazing!

    One of them even has a super dome 39!

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